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that is it for us tonight. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 9:00 eastern. "ac >> good evening, thanks very much for joining us. the breaking news tonight, donald trump making his first appearance since last night's cnn republican debate by all appearances, and i emphasize appearances, taking a bit of a victory lap. he just wrapped up a down hall q and a session in rochester, new
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hampshire. a smaller audience to be sure but the same personality. >> we had a little thing called a debate at the reagan library at the reagan library. and this was sort of an amazing thing. we had an credible time. >> we love you trump! >> thank you. thank you. that was some evening. >> i got shuch great remarks. look at this. we just wrote this down. "time" magazine did votes as to who won the debate last night, right? so "time magazine, 114,000 votes as of 6:00 p.m. trump, 56.
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rubio 7, ben carson 4. the rest not doing too good. then drudge, we love drj. donald trump. we had 61%. trump, 668,000. think of it, 51%. second, fiorina, much less. like much. then rubio, then cruz then -- i'm not going to mention the next ones because i don't like them very much. >> then news fax, way up ahead. you like news max? i like it, too. donald trump, first place by a lot. the street, donald trump, 52%. that's a lot when you have all of these guys. that's a lot. it's not against two people. it's against donald trump, 52%. then you have slate. %-p.
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>> from there, he took questions. the first one is getting quite a lot of comments tonight. take a look. >> i've been making speeches over and over and over again. let's go to this man. i like this guy. >> amen, okay. we have a big problem in this count country. it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. >> right. >> we know he's not even an american. >> we needed this question, first question. >> but anyway, we have training camps brewing with people who want to tell us. that's my question. when can we get rid of them? >> a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. we're going to be looking at that and plenty of other things. go ahead. >> so i have the question about
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the trump wall. >> trump wall? >> when it comes to paying off debt -- >> trump wall? see, that's what's going to happen. that's why i'm going to make this wall so beautiful. because when i'm gone, they're going to probably change the name to the trump wall. i've got to make it beautiful. big and powerful and beautiful. go ahead. by the way, he said trump wall, i didn't. >> carly fiorina, i watched the debate yesterday, she put our company lucent technology in the ground. >> carly fiorina. >> stay it again. people might as well hear it. people have to learn. i thought i would wait a couple of days before i expose her business failure, but honestly, it's so ridiculous. go ahead, tell me. >> our stock, i invested in my stock. i worked for the company for 37 years. >> headed up by who? >> carly. >> that's before
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hewlett-packard. how many people here believe in global warming? do you believe in global warming? who believes in global warming? who believes in global warming? who believes in global warming? raise your hand. wow, not much, huh? >> do you have your hand up? a little? no. nobody? one person? >> well, sir, that's -- you believe, right? you believe? >> that was donald trump tonight in new hampshire. sarah murray is at the event, joins us now. i'm kind of amazed that the first guy who stands up says the problem in this country is muslims and donald trump doesn't say anything about that. did anybody bat an eye at that?
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>> it really is pretty incredible. not only saying the problem in america is muslims but also that president obama is a muslim, which, of course, is not true. and you know, i think that we're now starting to get our first taste of how donald trump responds to awkward questions from voters. if you're a traditional presidential candidate and you're used to doing town halls like these, you get questions like this along the way and you sort of have to be prepared to deflect them in one way or another. but i think the interest thing is he's getting a lot of criticism for it on twitter that he didn't really rebut that at all. >> it's not about deflecting. if you're an actual leader, if you actually want to lead people in this country and you want to be president to all the people in this country, including the muslim population in this country, you don't just pander to every loud mouth in your audience. john mccain got a question like that toward the end of his race, i remember, and he pushed back on someone in the audience.
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donald trump could have easily said the problem is not every muslim person in this country, what are you going to do about them and calling the president a muslim, i mean, it's extraordinary for a guy who claims to be the straight talker that he doesn't have the guts to stand up to a loud mouth in his own crowd. again, this is a guy who constantly is saying that he tells it like it is, he's a straight talker, not afraid of anything. >> he just said this is the first question? and that was it. then the crowd kind of moved on. we followed him along the rope line and yelled and asked him to respond more to that. he did not respond. i have to imagine the next interview he does, he's going to be asked about that. and whether he does really
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believe the frob is mproblem is. he didn't refute that statement at all. you have to remember that donald trump has a long history of saying pretty bombastic things before he was running for president. remember, this is the guy who was a big birther when it came to president obama's birth certificate. he's been known to say some wild things himself. he tried not to do that this time around. >> right, he made all those claims that he had sent detectives to hawaii. he never backed up any of those claims. he never showed anything that they allegedly found in hawaii. he's yet to show any documentation on that. there's no evidence he sent my detectives to search into obama's birth certificate anyway. >> joining us 1 david gergen who
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has decades of experience with okccupants of the oval office. >> does it surprise you that donald trump who call himself a straight talker doesn't stand up to somebody in his audience who says the problem in america is muslims in america? >> look. the first guy who asked a question, seemed a little crazy and donald laughed it off and quickly moved to the next question. the idea that donald trump -- the beauty of america is people can say whatever they want. it may be crazy, we may not agree with it, but the idea that donald has to be up there and correct every person on every issue just isn't realistic. that's not realistic. >> amanda, is that not realistic? >> here's the thing. there's no way that donald trump can tell a questioner he's wrong because those are the exact types of thoughts that he's been cultivating over the past four or five years.
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some are embarrassed that donald trump was preaching to this audience. we didn't feel that was the focus. he was repeatedly questioning president obama's birthplace. i can't imagine that we could go into the next presidential election still relit kating that pathetic fight. >> david gergen, you worked with a lot of presidents on all different sides of the aisle. is it responsibility of a leader to actually say something? >> it's the responsibility of a leader to push back against prejudice. that question with heavily laiden with prejudice. we've had two presidents, president bush after 9/11 and president obama to his credit have continue you'lly tried to help people understand that muslims are not a problem in america. there are some who are trying to bring terror. but he should have pushed back on that question. he should have made it very clear that he's proud to have the muz limgs in this country. they're great, many of them are great americans.
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he did not make those distinctions. anderson, the presidency of the united states is not only the most powerful position in the world, but it also carries with it a certain moral responsibility. towards the health of society. if you're going to be a serious candidate, you have to step up that responsibility pmt. >> we've got to take a quick break. you heard donald trump take shot after shot at carly fiorina. just answer answers about questions voters may have about the political background and the kind of business leader she was or wasn't. i was out for a bike ride. i didn't think i'd have a heart attack. but i did. i'm mike, and i'm very much alive. now my doctor recommends a bayer aspirin regimen to help prevent another heart attack. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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>> donald trump opened his town hall up for questions. this is the first question he got. >> we have a problem in this country called muslims. we know our current president is a one. you know he's not even an american. >> we need this first question. but anyway, we have training camp camps brewing with people who
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want to kill us. that's my question, when are we going to get rid of this? >> a lot of people are saying that, we're going to look at that and plenty of other things. >> amanda carpenter are joining us. andy, you're a trump supporter. he didn't just deflect it. eh said we're going to be looking at that, we're going to be looking at the muslims in america and a lot of people are saying that. and so we're going to be looking at this. a lot of people are saying there's bad things happening. is that really straight talk? >> that's not accurate at all. >> it's not accurate that he said we're going to be looking at muslims. >> he said we're going tok looking at that. >> potential training camps, which you may laugh it off, but there are potential reports of muslim rad kls. >> i spent more time overseas more than you ever have in your little life. don't tell me -- >> how do you know, anderson? >> okay, how much time have you
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spent overseas? >> plenty of time overseas. we can compare passports. >> how much have you spent time in the muslim world? how many times have you been to iraq or afghanistan? >> what is your point here? >> you're asking me -- he's concerned about raz call islam 37. >> you're laughing it off. >> i each not laughing it off. my question is about muslims in america. are you saying muslims in america is the problem? >> no one is saying that. >> a guy in the audience. >> there was a lunatic -- >> anderson, can i have a moment? there's a lunatic in the audience and donald trump laughed off the crazy person. he does not believe that barack obama is a muslim. but if you look at his middle east policy and thing he's doing, like the iran agreement, it puts all of us in danger. that's very, very serious. radicals are a serious problem. >> the so-called lunatic said we have a problem in this country.
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he then went into the birther argument that we have a president who is a muslim. and that's when donald trump said we need this question. when trump said we need this question, and the question, there are two parts to the question. one is birther and the other is we've got a problem in this country called muslims. then he went on. >> you can not tell me a guy you risk supporting -- >> people don't trust the media, you and david gergen took one guy who a tune tick who we all think is crazy and you micro analyzing it. >> look at donald laugh again. >> we have a problem in this country called muslim. we know our current president is one. >> right. >> of we know he's not even an american. >> we need this question, first
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question. >> but they have training camps where they want to kill us. that's my question. >> we're going to be looking a at lot of different things. a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying bad things are happening out there. we're going to look at that and a lot of different other things. >> i see what you're saying in saying oh, we need this question. this is the first question that's going to get me in trouble. but he could have at that point said muslims in america are not the problem. there are some muslims who may be a problem and we're obviously need to investigate that. and those people need to be held responsible. but by and marge, the muslim population are well assimilated and are americans like nibble e .. and we're supporting muslim regimes around the world. we have soldiers and marines who have fought and died to help muslims around the world. he could have said all of that. and i'm imagining he wishes he would have probably said that,
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don't you? >> anytime you micro analyze one question. of course you can say things more delicately. i don't think trump would disagree with what you're saying, the problem is muslim radicalism and not muslims. nobody is disputing that, but to mic microanalyze the audience is just not accurately correct. >> i think the past free tlies shows that donald trump is wildly beyond his depth. first he went on a huge battleship promising a national security speech. he did not deliver the goods. every time it got substantive, he did not rise to the occasion s he went kwai pept he's outside the reality tv show complex at this point and he's showing.
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>> he's leading in the polls, he's dominating. the american people just disagree with you flat-out. >> he's leading in the polls, no doubt about it. can he be president of all of the united states if he doesn't stand up for muslims in the united states? >> you can't be president of all the people if you insult women, if you insult latinos, if you insult muslims. it's very hard to be a uniting president. and i would just say andy, look, i happen to like donald trump. >> i like him, he's charming. i enjoyed the times we're able to talk to him. this is a man who could win the republican nomination. he could win the president of the united states, we need a president who's effective, but in order to do that, you have to have a person who steps up to the standards thars expected of a moral leader. that's what we're asking.
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anyone answering that question would be deep ly upset with thoe who are asking it. let's get your feedback on this. donald trump has not been in this situation before. i could argue he was caught off-guard. why should he be held to the same standard that a practiced politician was able to push back. >> when on et has donald trump ever been afraid of pushing back? and this gets back to the point i made earlier. he didn't push back because i think he agrees with largely the premises of the question. and that barack obama isn't american.
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donald trump is a birther. that's how we got to know him in the past few years in the era of obama. he can't push back on the question. >> that's not correct. obama produced his long form birth certificate and the issue dropped, period. it shows donald's ability as a negotiator. think about that, that's pretty amaze, actually. it worked. >> there is this john mccain moment. >> i can't trust obama. i have read about him and he's not, he's not -- he's an arab. he is not. no ma'am, no ma'am. he's a decent family man citizen that i just happen to have citizens with on fundamental issues. and that's what this campaign is all about.
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he's not. thank you. >> i'm guessing that donald trump at some point is not going to apologize or whatever, but just say you know what, muslims are great americans, i love muslims, something like that. he'll walk it back. >> and also, andy, i was rude to you. i shouldn't have been. >> i'm used to it, don't worry. i have an older brother. >> well, i'm not used to being rude and i shouldn't have -- i was rude to you. i am apologetic for that. i'm sorry. >> it's all good. >> it's good to have you on. remember the big battleship fundrais fundraiser, a veterans group charged up to $1,000 a person just to get onboard. who is the group? are they who they came to be? where is the money going to go?
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>> donald trump's last big campaign was at the u.s.s. iowa sponsored by a group culled veterans for strong america who got as much as $1,000 per person. is the money going to vet vans or brams to help veterans? or even to a group of effective advocates for veterans? drew griffin tonight, keeps them honest. >> donald trump, tuesday night on the deck of the warship, there to pick up the endorsement for veterans of a strong america, a group touting in its news release as having more than half a million supporters across the u.s. >> an endorsement from your group, so many veterans, hundreds of thousands of veterans, i really appreciate that, joe. >> but it seems that donald trump in his campaign didn't bother to check on in any of this. wound up getting a fundraising speak for a group that lost its
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tax exempt status. joel arons is the public face of the group. >> i have known joel for a long time. joel arons was a political expert in the area. before i ran, he was my personal lawyer, and he was a friend. >> we'll tell you about dr. annette bosworth and her claims about troubles with joel arons a in moment, but first veterans of a strong america and arons who convinced donald trump to come to this fundraiser tuesday night. >> i started this organization because politicians are not listening to the veterans. >> he's charged between $100 and $100 per person. the group claims the money will go to helping veterans and causes veterans for strong america supports. but the group does not have a good track record of disclosing where its money goes. a quick check with the irs finds
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the veterans for strong america actually lost its tax exempt status last may for failing to file required reports. here's the document from the irs which shows that the group is appealing. the latest filing shows the organization is also flat broke. just $30 in the bank while it has $318 in debts. so how could such a group host an event, well, so huge? after multiple calls and e-mails went unanswered, cnn was contacted by a campaign finance attorney who said she was just hired by arends 20 sort things out. the trump campaign told us they didn't know anything about all of this until now after event. >> he said he didn't take a penny from the event and treated them like any others to make a
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speech on the campaign trail. that brings uhs back to annette bosworth, who was stunned to see her old friend on tv tuesday night. >> in 2014, bosworth was a republican candidate for the u.s. senate in south dakota and she needed signatures to get on the ballot. there are election requirements that this political newbie say she is turned to her campaign lawyer for advice. that lawyer was joel arends who she testified advised her could sign off on petitions even if she didn't witness every single signature on them. >> and joel was my friend, i trusted them. when he said you could sign it, i was sure he knew the rules. >> i have an incredibly humiliating experience for my family and i have the loss of my medical license. and what happened to joel? from the moment he knew that there was trouble, he went out
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and did a fundraiser for my opponent. i mean really? >> the jury didn't buy it. dr. annette bosworth lost in the primary, was convicted of election fraud and was convicted of perjury. her lawyer, she says, didn't miss a beat. >> please help me welcome mr. donald j. trump! >> do you know where the money went? >> he could have brought in $850,000 by our calculations. we just don't know where the money is the group doesn't have a good track record.
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>> does it go to a charity? >> it's not a charity. as far as we can tell it's a political action group. just about an hour ago, in fact, we received this statement from the group saying they are advocates for improving the va, providing legal help for the military, avenue caughting for a stronger military, including advocating for missile defense system. the group said this, the veterans for a strong america will continue to be an all volunteer organization with no employee, no director or officer received a salary or compensation other than for the usual and routine expenses. anderson? >> appreciate the report. many people saying fiorina did well. what kind of a leader was she? how did she get from the corner office? plaque psoriasis...
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>> carly fiorina made an impression with many in the debate. her grand slam moment might have
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been this one. >> ms. fiorina, in an interview last week in "rolling stone" magazine, donald trump said the following about you. look at that face, would anyone vote for that. can you imagine that, the face of our next president. mr. trump later said he was talk about your persona, not your appearance. please feel free to respond what you think about his persona. >> you know, it's interesting to me, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly in what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. [ applause ] >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> moments like that are gold to some candidates, especially when they're not brand names. fiorina herself said she went
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into the debate knowing half the people watching didn't know who she was. the others half watching last night know her name now, certainly. they also heard her bit about her tenure as ceo. we dig deeper on her resume tonight. >> outspoken and tough by all accounts, carly fiorina has friends and enemies in high places. >> you ran up mountains of debts as well as losses using other people's money and you were forced to field for bankruptcy, not once, not twice, four times. a record four times. why should we trust you to manage the finances of this nation any differently than the management of your casinos. >> her most glaring weakness lies in two letters -- hp. she made big headlines when she was named first female ceo of that deck giant. but she was even bigger when she
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oversaw compaq and hp went into a tail spin, losing half its stock value and laying off 30,000 workers. >> the company is a disaster and continues to be a disaster. they still haven't recovered. >> by 2005, fiorina was very publicly and painfully fired. she stole 60 minutes about it. >> almost as if they meant to take you down a pig or two, that kind of thing. >> well, if that was their intent, they certainly succeeded in that. >> for wall street, it wasn't personal. it was business. >> as soon as fiorina was fired, hp stock rose 7% and "fortune" magazine's assessment was blunt. her run as ceo wasn't all that great. >> keep up, lady ps. >> sorry, i walk really fast. >> but fiorina was pushing on, advising the presidential bid in 2008le, running for senate in 2010, giving up the famous demon sheep ad and an infamous open
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mike moment when she criticized bash bah boxer's hair. >> god what is that hair? the democrat responded by walloping fiorina in the final vote. life has hit fiorina hard, too. twice married, she is a breast cancer survivor who underwent a mastectomy and who that same year lost her stepdaughter laurie. >> drug addiction is an epide c epidemic. it's taken too many young person. i know this sadly from personal experience. >> industry analysts broadly agree that fiorina made some big mistakes in her corporate career and even as her fans argue against that, think also suggest all the ups and downs have left their candidate ready for everything the campaign and the presidency can fling at her.
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>> thanks very much, donald trump is going after the record. look, the tech bubble lapped. she's basically a victim of circumstances. ultimately the compact turned out to be the good one. >> the deal with compact was a disaster. >> almost everything connected to the compaq has been shuttered or sold. they got in the wrong business. she pushed for it very hard, she alienated a lot of people. fortune magazine was right. she was not a good ceo and yet she walked away with $100 million after six year with a stock price that was lower and profits that were actually lower even though the revenues per doubled. it's astonishing, really. was she targeted by the company?
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>> she was wildly disliked within the company. one of the things i noticed with her in debates is she's a lot looser than she was. she's much more scripted then. she never went offmessage. she was almost pro-botic at times. she demanded total loyalty. she didn't want anybody to dissent from her. she pushed out a lot of the executives, especially the compaq executives that had been brought in. when the board got mad at her and decided she had to go, she didn't have any -- she just didn't have any support. >> when it came to handling donald trump's comments about her face, foreign policy and connecting with viewers, do you think fiorina really stood out in terms of last night's debate? >> yeah, i do. when he sort of ineptly tried to say afterwards oh, you know what, i think she has a beautiful face, which i think to lots of women just seemed a little bit patronizing, she just stood there and she stared into
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the camera with this kind of steely look and you knew that she wasn't forgiving him and you knew she thought it was ridiculous. but as far as i'm concerned, the fewer words the better in that situation. and i think she knew that and i think women knew that. >> dana, do you see her performance last night as a game changer for her campaign? will it translate to poll numbers? fundraising? >> look, it's hard to see it not given the fact that 23 million people saw her and that can only help with those who saw her and liked what sthey saw. that's probably going to be pretty considerable in the republican field, especially when it comes to fundraising. part of the reason the fiorina field and the campaign that they feel that they haven't been able to get traction is because she's not a household name. she's not very well known. especially within the republican kind of, the donor class and so forth, even though she has been
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a former ceo. but the people used to giving to republicans. and they're very much hoping that this changes it. it did change the last time for her, the last time she did well. the first debate. she was in the undercard. and because she performed so well, that allowed her to come to the main stage this time. but i have to say, listening to the description of her as somebody who was kind of steey y and tough and so forth, it's no wonder. i watched her on that stanl and she did not crack. she was stone faced the entire time. even when there were kind of looser moments, she didn't participate in them. she felt like she had to be the straight man. >> joe, it's interesting. this is not the first time her business record has cop up. barbara boxer ran very brutal kmeshs against her that were very effective. you can imagine the democrats doing the exact same thing around this time if, in fact, she becomes the nominee.
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>> right. and there it will revolve around two things. the democrats won't really go after her for the compaq merger, but they'll go after her for a lot of layoffs. and she made a boat load of money for an unsuccessful run. those are the two things they'll really focus on. >> i think the commercial i remember was focusing on the layoffs and she got all this money and bought a yacht and went off kind of into the sunset. >> that's going to be red meat for the democrats. >> it's worth pointing out just for the record, by the way, that donald trump's business record isn't all that great either. she's right about the bankrupt spips. >> not personal bankruptcies, but business bankruptcies. >> and he basically runs a company now where he licenses his name. he doesn't really build anything anymore. >> he gets a lot of money from licensing his name to build things and other projects. joe, it's good to have you on the program. >> thank very much. a. >> every head tilt, the gesture, every grimace and smile sent a message, whether intended or
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over 50 minutes. scott walker a least amount of floor time, just eight minutes. that's one measure that happened. but the canada's body language spoke volumes. today, dick morgan who coaches executives and politicians sat down to translate some of what we saw last night. >> a big moment in this debate about carly fiorina, her looks/persona. let's listen. >> i think women all over this country heard what mr. trump said. >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> he's saying there you go, i made my apology. and she's saying with the pursed lips and the shut eyes, i'm not buying it. she's signaling her dus approval but in a very subtle way. >> donald trump's body language is the opposite, the complete opposite. >> he said he wouldn't want urks
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such a hot head with his finger on the nuclear codes. you as well have raised concerns about mr. trump's -- >> casino gambling in florida. >> i did not. >> yes, you did. >> totally false. >> his arms, his face, he makes so many faces in this debate. i would any you would coach people not to do stuff like that. >> the standard wisdom in the political world is you're dignified, you look presidential, don't make faces like that. but trump is making it work. and i think the reason it's working is because he's coming across as authentic. what you see is what you get. >> this confrontation between trump and jeb bush is i'm sure quite remarkable for you to watch and our viewer, too. >> i was a businessman. i got along with clinton and everybody. that was my job to get along with people. >> but the simple fact of the people is -- >> excuse me, one second. >> no. >> more energy tonight, i like that. >> the relgsship between this man and this man during this
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time, the faces they're each making told you a lot, didn't it? >> yeah. there's so many things going on. trump is still rising above the situation in that he feels free to comment on mr. bush's energy while this exchange is going on. what he should have done is get genuinely angry. he gives a fake smile which is what people do when they're uncomfortable with anger. >> you remember the rubble? do you remember the firefighter with his arms around it? he sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe. >> tv sound down. you could see his face looks angry. was that natural? was that effective for jeb bush? >> i think this was one of mr. bush's good moments. he finally gets angry. and i guess it took dissing his brother to make him angry. >> you thought marco rubio was stronger in this debate. >> you better be able to lead our country on the first day. >> he's doing two of the four
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facial gestures that are positive and enzbajing and connecting. he's raising his eyebrows and opening his lights. that's difficult to do with the bright lights shining in your eyes on tv. >> a lot of us from new jersey are outgoing, we're out there. chris christie is one of them. >> a lot of people are entertained as anyone by this personal back and forth about the history of donald and carly's career. i have to tell you the truth, they could care less about your careers. >> when they focus their emotions we pay attention. we're paying attention with the lored eyebrows and the scowl. >> who did the best in the second debate? >> in terms of body language alone, rubio, fiorina and christie had the strongest performances. i think trump held his own. a. >> ahead at the top of the hour tonight, new reag to the anti-muslim question that donald trump received in a new hampshire down hall.
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let's take a look at the victory lap after the debate for donald trump. >> we had a little thing called a debate at the reagan library. and it was an amazing thing. we had an incredible time. >> we love you! >> thank you. thank you. that was some evening. i got such great remarks, look at this. time magazine did votes as to who won the debate last night, right? so "time" magazine, 114,000 votes as of 6:00 p.m. trump,

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